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Title: Train station at the start and end of tunnels
Post by: emaxectranspoorte on December 30, 2008, 02:56:58 pm
Train station at the start and end of tunnels: when train tunnel starts you can place station tunnel, either starting there, and/or part of an entire station (part of a station is outside, on surface, part underground and/or running through the tunnel entrace and/or exit). I apologize for taking soo long for this to be said. But I was thinking how to formulate this idea. If this was said before... then... I guess... :-\ :-\

Edit: Similarly with tram/bus/maglev stations :)
Title: Re: Train station at the start and end of tunnels
Post by: VS on December 30, 2008, 03:10:48 pm
I suspect this belongs to "not possible" list.

The tunnel entrance is only one tile, so you can give up two carriages in that place...
Title: Re: Train station at the start and end of tunnels
Post by: emaxectranspoorte on December 30, 2008, 03:28:33 pm
I suspect this belongs to "not possible" list.

The tunnel entrance is only one tile, so you can give up two carriages in that place...

Probably... yes... if you say so...  :-\ :-\ :-\
Title: Re: Train station at the start and end of tunnels
Post by: VS on December 30, 2008, 06:45:37 pm
I don't know for sure.
Title: Re: Train station at the start and end of tunnels
Post by: kierongreen on January 05, 2009, 10:24:43 pm
I think this is blocked purely for graphical reasons - there's no technical reason why  stations can't exist on tunnel start/end tiles.
Title: Re: Train station at the start and end of tunnels
Post by: Peyo on January 06, 2009, 04:43:39 am
What about in a complex tunnelling system?
Title: Re: Train station at the start and end of tunnels
Post by: Fabio on January 06, 2009, 10:57:51 am
I think this is blocked purely for graphical reasons - there's no technical reason why  stations can't exist on tunnel start/end tiles.

So it shouldn't be too hard to allow. it could use the station graphics, cutting them according to the slope of the tunnel exit
Title: Re: Train station at the start and end of tunnels
Post by: kierongreen on January 06, 2009, 07:37:31 pm
Not quite that simple - would look a little strange I think. But when I was adding the underground mode I had to add a bit of logic to allow stations to be built only underground or overground not on inbetween bits (before this only overground was allowed). So it is purely a code issue. If someone wanted to write a patch to allow it and compile a binary themselves it would be trivial to change. Somehow I doubt it'd ever get into the official release though.
Title: Re: Train station at the start and end of tunnels
Post by: emaxectranspoorte on January 07, 2009, 09:09:46 am
Ahhh...  :(

Anyway ... doesn't matter, thanks to all. :)
Title: Re: Train station at the start and end of tunnels
Post by: AP on January 16, 2009, 10:52:02 pm
Not quite that simple - would look a little strange I think.

There are precedents, though, for stations which are part-underground and part-overground. Several on the London Underground network, for starters. For expanding stations in constrained urban locations (ie between tunnels), I can see this as very useful.
Title: Re: Train station at the start and end of tunnels
Post by: jamespetts on January 17, 2009, 12:32:17 am
There are precedents, though, for stations which are part-underground and part-overground. Several on the London Underground network, for starters.

Hmm, which ones are you thinking of? Paddington (Hamersmith & City), perhaps?
Title: Re: Train station at the start and end of tunnels
Post by: AP on January 17, 2009, 10:29:30 am
Paddington is one, yes, but I was actually thinking of Rotherhithe on the East London Line.
(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/2/20/Even_Further_Inside_Rotherhithe_Tube_Station.jpg)

Am sure I remember another of the major ones (?Baker Street?) being similar half-in half-out. But it's been a while since I used the tube!

Of course a large number of 'normal' stations have buildings over the top - Birmingham New Street as an example.
(http://www.webbaviation.co.uk/gallery/d/11186-1/birmingham-new-st-air-aa08355b.jpg)

Whilst the "tunnel" may be man-made, it's still a tunnel (from the point of view of how you'd create it in simutrans at least); the fact remains that in both simutrans and RL city centre real estate has a value. So being able to put a station half-in half-out, with something else on top (airport? bus interchange?) has a value.  I can also imagine it having uses on a hilly map where you want to get a station between viaduct and tunnel (although you can build them out onto the bridges now I know.

Title: Re: Train station at the start and end of tunnels
Post by: emaxectranspoorte on January 17, 2009, 04:39:14 pm
Thanks for paying attention to my ideas. :)
Title: Re: Train station at the start and end of tunnels
Post by: kierongreen on January 18, 2009, 06:58:58 pm
I'm aware of examples in real life (quite rare). Graphically it would look odd though with current graphics...
Title: Re: Train station at the start and end of tunnels
Post by: Stubbsy on January 18, 2009, 08:22:27 pm
there is quite a few stations in england like this, not just on the underground.
Title: Re: Train station at the start and end of tunnels
Post by: jamespetts on January 18, 2009, 08:48:18 pm
there is quite a few stations in england like this, not just on the underground.

Birmingham New Street? Platforms 11-12 at Paddington...?
Title: Re: Train station at the start and end of tunnels
Post by: Stubbsy on January 18, 2009, 08:59:29 pm
Paddington has some, there quite a few on the underground and then you have one just off from Stratford, cant remember name, and there are plenty more.
Title: Re: Train station at the start and end of tunnels
Post by: emaxectranspoorte on February 02, 2009, 08:05:10 am
there is quite a few stations in england like this, not just on the underground.

Could you come up with some pictures?

Thanks.
Title: Re: Train station at the start and end of tunnels
Post by: ij on February 03, 2009, 02:11:04 pm
One from Helsinki (Finland), on a local, non-underground train line:

http://fi.wikipedia.org/wiki/Malminkartanon_rautatieasema

However, I don't know how often the trains are long enough to need those non-tunnel parts of the platform, I only very rarely use that line.
Title: Re: Train station at the start and end of tunnels
Post by: jamespetts on February 03, 2009, 02:37:50 pm
Birmingham New Street:

http://www.photojones.co.uk/cl****25/1280/sj008502.jpg

http://www.photojones.co.uk/cl****25/1280/sj008501.jpg

http://www.building.co.uk/story.asp?storycode=3117195

http://www.flickr.com/photos/jamesclay/2416621070/

Some London Underground stations:

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_Nf5FfHNth64/R_kj7l6UXvI/AAAAAAAAAVc/kwpUC_J6LlU/s1600-h/Paddington+Platforms+15+%26+16+H+%26+C+Train+Westbound.jpg

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_Nf5FfHNth64/SJIwfs-1cvI/AAAAAAAABhQ/Y7rlg7x1Ef8/s1600-h/Barbican-tube-from-road-bri%5B1%5D.jpg

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_Nf5FfHNth64/SSLA92OPTgI/AAAAAAAADLI/oa6rtilwZ44/s1600-h/Paddington_Circle-District_station%5B1%5D.jpg
Title: Re: Train station at the start and end of tunnels
Post by: emaxectranspoorte on February 03, 2009, 03:08:41 pm
Thank you both for your kind response. :)