map size: 576x384
start year: 1927
citys: 27
Total inhabitants: 18009
largest city: 4697
smallest city: 253
factory: 33
(http://www.frankpenz.de/pak.german/net_game_2/german_network_game2.png)
576x384_1927_27citys.sve (http://www.frankpenz.de/pak.german/net_game_2/576x384_1927_27citys.sve) ~ 700 kb
pak.german_0-102-3c_net.zip (http://www.frankpenz.de/pak.german/pak.german_0-102-3c_net.zip) ~ 6 Mb
upd_0-102-3d_net.zip (http://www.frankpenz.de/pak.german/upd_0-102-3d_net.zip)
Playerlisthuman: Frank
public service: Frank
Player 1: FlohOswald
Player 2: ?
Player 3: ?
Player 4: ?
Player 5: ?
Player 6: ?
Player 7: ?
Player 8: diegoviagens
Player 9: ?
Player 11: hApo
Player 12: TurfIt
Player 13: jonasbb
Save the file xx_player.tab (http://www.frankpenz.de/pak.german/net_game_2/xx_player.tab) in pak.german_net/text and rename
xx in your language code.
Interests users contact me.
desired goalSo many p****engers and consumer goods transported as possible on the map.
RulesThe highest bid drift: don't ruin other player
- create public stops in your p****enger network
- Power lines are connected on request
- overcrowded stations are to be considered preferred and the overcrowding has to be reduced
- Avoid long waits at the vehicles. Choose the vehicles so that as many vehicles also move.
further proposals?
I want to subscribe to player 8
(Proposal for the game)
[EN]
I have realized that online game that many are going too fast failure is for reasons of high prices or matters of gameplay.
I have also noticed that cities are filling up with several points of players, which in my view a vision of beauty is completely contrary.
So bring the following suggestion:
if there were conditions to restart the game and establishes the following guidelines:
distribution of cities:
suggest a distribution of 12 cities around the map, plus a central city, where this would be borne by the public power to organize the points and stops for urban, not allowing any player put a stop private. would bid the lines operating here on the forum and each company would be responsible for managing their routes. this city was the central metropolis
12 other cities would be distributed among the players and each would be responsible for managing and developing the cities. in the case of population increase and transportation prove defective, the governor (the coordinator of the game) would by bidding on the lines deficient.
industries would be free of freedom for players who could afford to maintain routes.
so I think that would be less bankrupt companies and making the most of space on the ground of the map.
as I said, is just a suggestion and invite you all to think.
[PT]
Tenho percebido nesse jogo OnLine que muitos estão indo a falência rápido demais seja por motivos de preços altos ou por questões de jogabilidade.
Tenho percebido também que as cidades estão se enchendo de pontos de vários jogadores, o que ao meu ver em uma visão de beleza, esta totalmente contrária.
Por isso trago a seguinte sugestão:
se houvesse condições de se reiniciar o jogo e estabelece-se diretrizes de seguintes pontos:
distribuição das cidades:
sugiro uma distribuição de 12 cidades pelo mapa, e mais uma cidade central, onde este seria a cargo do poder publico organizar os pontos e paradas de transporte urbano, não se permitindo que nenhum jogador coloc****e uma parada privada. seria licitado as linhas de exploração aqui no fórum e cada empresa ficaria responsável para administrar suas rotas. essa cidade seria a metrópole central
as outras 12 cidades seriam distribuídas entre os jogadores e cada um ficaria responsável por administrar e desenvolver as cidades. no caso de aumento de população e o transporte se mostrar deficiente, o governador (coordenador do jogo) iria por em licitação as linhas defasadas.
as indústrias seriam de livre liberdade para os jogadores que tivesse condições de manter as rotas.
****im creio eu que teriam menos empresas falidas e o melhor aproveitamento de espaço no terreno do mapa.
como já disse, é so uma sugestão e convido a todos a pensarem.
I'd like to play as player 11
the game starts tomorrow morning 7:00 am german time
I'd like to play as player 8
I wouldn't mind joining to continue the bug hunt...
Player 12 or any will do.
Further proposals - how about only public service powerlines? Bumping up the electric_promille setting by editing the save might be useful too...
The game is online.
Please read the changes in the first post.
in my opinion the function of creating bus stops, train,
streetcar and the power plane should be public, because when the
player invests in parades, he spends a lot to organize
local transport and our money is little.
But thats one possible goal. Having a good working local bus transport.
And you have not to build buses. You could also make money only with goods.
That's what. Together to create something great.
It is about the cooperation.
And if things need to be public, then we play no more I think.
EDIT: link to xx_player.tab fixed
its time for transported cars from car factory ( 311,63 ) to car dialer
No one will transport cars?
The book branch is also open. Printer ink is produced.
Does this work for anyone? I have pak.german/text/en_player.tab and still see Player11, Player12, etc.
I couldn't connect until now. But, one problem is transporting cars by themselves is not profitable - atleast not in the 1930s. Unless you're involved in the rest of the chain somewhere there's no reason to move cars.
PAK balances that work well in single player might need some tweaking for multi. Generally, PAKs seem to have raw materials at low profits (or even losses!), and the final link in the chain is where the real money is made (except with pak.german cars!). In multiplayer, someone could swoop in and 'steal' production from that last link, ignore the raw material, and make literally like a bandit.
Not anymore.
Public Service: Request power line connectors @(312,163), and @((279,113)
Yes, it works for me.
Is pak.german the pakset you start for the only game?
Thats false.
My line number 20 will make around 15.000 profit each month. (Testet in a local save and fast forward).
I think that was a bit misunderstood. I connect a maximum of 5 fields.
Sorry. My mistake, works now. Was put into the wrong pak.german - not the one being used by the net game.
OK. I thought the intent was to prevent the m**** of parallel private lines across the map...
I connect powerline player x and powerline player y
you build the powerline to the next powerline from other player ( a distance field ) and I connect this
I think we're suffering from a double misunderstanding! I intended for the public service to connect my powerlines to jonasbbs. However, he connected transformers where I was going to (I build the lines but not the transformers to save money) so I deleted my lines but didn't edit my request message. Wish we could leave persistent messages in game - the current feature only works for players currently online.
If connecting is the intent of your rule then please connect @(273,179) If I have to connect myself at @(~404,~130) things are going to get quite messy again!
please set marker
without text is not so bad, but the Possition is achieved much faster
A note on the used locomotives
The locomotives are divided into three groups. P****engers train, Freight train and mixed train
see http://simutrans-germany.com/wiki/wiki/tiki-index.php?page_ref_id=1210 (http://simutrans-germany.com/wiki/wiki/tiki-index.php?page_ref_id=1210)
Unfortunately, only Simutrans speed of power ( KW, KW * gear ).
The speed also has a factor of the design. Since this is not supported, the implementation is only the very expensive way of constraint.
Speed bonus is not an option because he is working on a global scale. The problem is vehicle specific.
and one other finding
I define 'Transport' me moving vehicles.
This objective defines the long-term goal. 60 years +
And one thing I have noticed too. The players want to quickly up too high.
An international network game but has different rules.
First, to work together.
Second, a prior communication is necessary because the players can be quite different times online.
It would be useful to write the player messages in a file to load it again able to transfer them to the clients after the contact. At least for the last 30 or so entries.
You can (misuse) marker for that for now ...
I just looked into the game and it's looking nice built up. ;) Everything is running.
Is it still possible to join the game? I would like to take player 1 and start p****enger transportation. So far, it seems that all industrial products are transported.
For the communication, I don't know how much server space and traffic you can afford Frank, but you could set up a TeamSpeak server for players to connect. http://www.teamspeak.com/
IRC chat exists (http://simutrans-germany.com/wiki/wiki/tiki-index.php?page=de_chat)
set player 1 and update xx_player.tab
@FlohOswald
set 'Raschau 1 H' ( first ) and 'Raschau 1 Land Bahnhof' ( second ) public for better connect
As a child I played chess for a club called 'Rotation Raschau'. Lost in the first round of the GDR cup :( Those were the days :D
I did it, now I know how to connect with public stops. ;)
oh, a chess player
How about a game?
@FlohOswald thanks
@all
r3785
- rename stations works
- rename vehicle works
- rename lines not works
not implemented (yet)
Edit: in rev 3789.
It seems that I cannot connect to the server although it's shown in the list. It does not work neither with rev. 3785 nor rev. 3795.
At what stage does the loading fail?
Try to load the game in the savegame dialog: type 'net:st.ipxxfranksaddress' as name of the savegame.
The Server dialog, where I choose the server I want to connect with, tells me "Server antwortet nicht!" That's shown for both servers in the list.
When I try what you told me, again there shows up a message, telling me: "Server antwortet nicht!"
server crash
Okay, I got onto the server but lost connection after some minutes. Did it crash again? If yes, did I cause it somehow?
new server crash network.cc
Server today offline
Frank, do you have log files?
Edit: saw them already. No clue, why this happened.
Last time I had a crash at home (the gift server never run more than 24h hours unattended) the client got very high like 1567, even though only I could connect to it. I have the feeling, that a connection attempt while joining or transferring data can confuse simutrans, although I have no definite proof of that (and will be in Florida until 29th ... )
Is there any chance to know when the server will be online again?
server offline
it must first be a critical bug found
server online
windows clients not posible, crash server by desconect since r3795
r3785 online
That's bad, I just read your post after I was kicked from the server again and now I can't still reach it. I downloaded the newest nightly (rev3803) for windows this morning and entered the server after work. I could do some things online for 20 minutes until I was disconnected. Did I crash the server once again? If yes, then I'm sorry, it was not my intention.
There is a mysterious bug that stops the server if a client disconnects. In principle, Frank can click the 'ignore' button each time, but if he is not available ...
I was able to isolate the bug as far as I could switch off in
Just had a nasty desync. I was connected when industry growth occurred. Locally a Beverage trade was created in Bad Laer connected to the existing Brewery. I spent a couple minutes looking at how to use it when I desynced. Upon rejoining the server, the beverage trade was gone; Instead there was a Home Market/Furniture Factory/Sawmill chain in Bad Laer...
Should be fixed in rev 3811.
Hey Frank, What happens when you reach 1939? Does the game run that long? Maybe if it does you should start it from 1945, you could then introduce m****ive reconstruction policies into the game.
game is in 1964
If the players modernize on its own I can not make enough.
@diegoviagens
I missed public stations in Bad Lear.
EDIT
@FlohOswald
Your train 137 ( BR 01 ) stops the other trains of the line 58th.
Thanks Frank, I saw it and fixed it. Need to think about letting the game not unattended for such a long time. I'm bankrupt. ;)
I made my trainstations in Wenningstedt and Tholey public, so you might connect to them Frank, then I don't have to carry the p****engers with one line from the central stop to the train-stations.
Sorry Frank, I'm sure I saw that it started in 1927. My Bad perhaps!
not correct, 1968 +12,650,000.00
Yeah, after fixing the problem with the stuck train, I'm bette of than before the problem.
Sorry for the double-post, but jonasbb's trains are blocking the street between Balve and Wenningstedt. You need to fix it jonas, please.
new set version
pak.german_0-102-3c_net.zip (http://www.frankpenz.de/pak.german/pak.german_0-102-3c_net.zip) ~ 6 Mb
for changes see http://forum.simutrans.com/index.php?topic=4709.msg57797;topicseen#msg57797 (http://forum.simutrans.com/index.php?topic=4709.msg57797;topicseen#msg57797)
Caused my client, and I think the server to crash building a powerline under another player's bridge. When I went to reconnect, the server changed from r3821 to r3825. Some sort of auto relaunch running?
The game info window pakset showed in red with join game remaining greyed out. The find mismatch button was active but did nothing. Not implemented?
I updated my client to 3825, didn't touch my pak, and could then join. The game info revision line turning red to indicate a game revision mismatch would be better; It looked like a pakset mismatch rather than the game version...
Can't maintain sync with 3825 for more than a minute either...
Message: network_command_t::rdwr: read packet_id=5, client_id=0
Warning: network_check_activity(): received cmd id=5 nwc_ready_t from socket[648]
Warning: nwc_ready_t::execute: set sync_steps=9400
Warning: karte_t::network_game_set_pause: steps=2350 sync_steps=9400 pause=0
Message: karte_t::reset_timer(): called, mode=$5B1C28
Message: karte_t::interactive_event(): Keyboard event with code 0 '?'
Message: binary_heap_tpl(): initialized
Message: karte_t::interactive: time=59097 sync=9408 rand=1776922719
Message: karte_t::interactive: time=60701 sync=9416 rand=955163970
Message: karte_t::interactive: time=62301 sync=9424 rand=1982992424
Message: vehikel_t::entladen(): destination of 12 Furniture is no longer reachable
Message: karte_t::interactive: time=63900 sync=9432 rand=-1164836068
Message: karte_t::interactive: time=65500 sync=9440 rand=-1986222680
Message: karte_t::interactive: time=67110 sync=9448 rand=-2106072241
Message: karte_t::interactive: time=68709 sync=9456 rand=595495985
Message: karte_t::interactive: time=70302 sync=9464 rand=2021488038
Warning: route_t::intern_calc_route(): Too many steps (23>=max 1000000) in route (too long/complex)
Message: route_t::calc_route(): No route from 527,187 to 456,355 found
Message: aircraft_t::calc_route(): search runway start near 456,355,0
Message: route_t::append_straight_route(): start from (453,351) to (524,189)
Message: route_t::append_straight_route(): to (524,189) found.
Message: route_t::append_straight_route(): start from (524,189) to (530,189)
Message: route_t::append_straight_route(): to (530,189) found.Message: network_command_t::rdwr: read packet_id=7, client_id=0
Warning: network_check_activity(): received cmd id=7 nwc_check_t from socket[648]
Message: NWC_CHECK: time difference to server -73
Warning: network_world_command_t::execute: do_command 7 at sync_step 9473 world now at 9471
Message: karte_t::interactive: time=71972 sync=9472 rand=357961863
Warning: karte_t::interactive: client: sync=9473 rand=357961863, server: sync=9472 rand=178714352
Warning: karte_t::interactive: random number generators have different states
Warning: karte_t::network_disconnect(): Lost synchronisation with server.
Edit: It's staying connected now. Whatever it was choking on must've p****ed. Probably not r3825 related...
If pakset was shown in red, then you have a different pakset on your client. You should update the pakset first. Mismatch button action is not implemented.
Possible but unlikely. Unless someone changed the server pak then back again in 5 mins...
Originally:
Client rev 3821, pak pak.german_0-102-3c_net (from Franks post above)
Sever rev 3821, pak pak.german_0-102-3c_net
Crashed client (server too I think) (vector_tpl index out of bounds)
--
Reconnect attempt:
Client rev 3821, pak pak.german_0-102-3c_net (same as before)
Sever rev 3825, pak pak.german_0-102-3c_net (server rev changed)
Pakset now shown in red. Join game button greyed out.
--
Update client:
Client rev 3825, pak pak.german_0-102-3c_net (copied pak directly from 3821 directory)
Sever rev 3825, pak pak.german_0-102-3c_net
Now allowed to connect.
do you have some more info here? log-file, backtrace etc.
Maybe the red color was due to the difference in the revision. There was a change in the network protocol in between.
@jonasbb
Your trains blocked in 'Arzberg 1 Land Bahnhof' a long time.
I cannot connect at the moment. Not earlier than this evening.
upd_0-102-3d_net.zip (http://www.frankpenz.de/pak.german/upd_0-102-3d_net.zip)
Changes
* FIX: alignment and grafic error MSP_Postwagen
* FIX: alignment BR232, BR219, BR155, BR01, BR38, BR39, BR45
* FIX: alignment BR242, BR120, BR185, CityBahn-Wagen, CityBahn-Wagen_orange
* FIX: alignment Fcs_catg2
* CHG: BR155 cost and runningcost
* CHG: BR150 cost and runningcost
* ADD: green_fence ( Butch7th ) - Addon
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ADD = added | CHG = changed | FIX = bug fix | REM = removed
map closed
576x384_1927_27citys_2008.sve (http://www.frankpenz.de/pak.german/net_game_2/576x384_1927_27citys_2008.sve) ~1.5 Mbyte