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Re: Simutrans Wikis

Reply #35 –
the Simutrans wiki frontpage is wiki.simutrans.com, from where you can access to EN, ES, JP, FR, DE and IT wikis.

Re: Simutrans Wikis

Reply #36 –
Is this all the same MediaWiki? I mean, there is no cross-linking between this wikis.

Ok. I will build a poll.

Edit: Oh. I can't make a poll in Simutrans discussion.  :(

Re: Simutrans Wikis

Reply #37 –
As far as I know, all are independent wikis, but actually I'm not sure at all.

For the poll, ask to an admin...

Re: Simutrans Wikis

Reply #39 –
From my part, I would use german wiki as Dat Reference for all languages and english wiki for the rest of things (tips, howto's, etc..)

Re: Simutrans Wikis

Reply #42 –
Really, it does not make any sense to have more than one wiki per language...
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Re: Simutrans Wikis

Reply #45 –
First things first, we need people to actually manage these wikis, and then we can talk about using them! All evidence speaks in favour of using the German wiki as main one:
a) active admin
b) can register
c) up to date

Edit: Since Dirk is here, no need to dive into the depths of binary codes in Mediawiki database :)

My projects... Tools for messing with Simutrans graphics. Graphic archive - templates and some other stuff for painters. Development logs for most recent information on what is going on. And of course pak128!

Re: Simutrans Wikis

Reply #47 –
I've looked up some information:

French wiki is administrated by Lmallet only. There's currently one active contributor.
Spanish wiki is administrated by vilvoh and Zeno. There's currently no active contributor.
Italian wiki is administrated by Ozone only. There's currently no active contributor.
English wiki is administrated by me only. There's currently no active contributor.

I've planned some software updates within May.

Re: Simutrans Wikis

Reply #48 –
OK, you are right. Maybe the problem is walking in circles. Until now, it seemed to me that almost all wikis are dead because nobody can register.

My projects... Tools for messing with Simutrans graphics. Graphic archive - templates and some other stuff for painters. Development logs for most recent information on what is going on. And of course pak128!

Re: Simutrans Wikis

Reply #49 –
Quote from: VS – on
Until now, it seemed to me that almost all wikis are dead because nobody can register.
I will have a look into that. Older versions of MediaWiki suffered from letting spammers in but the new versions should avoid that.

Re: Simutrans Wikis

Reply #50 –
Dirk, I would like to contribute to the English wiki.

-Seth

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Reply #51 –
Quote from: Frank – on
The question is: Dat reference from tikiwiki for all languages?

My suggestion would be, to use the dat-reference in the 'German' wiki.
http://simutrans-germany.com/wiki/wiki/tiki-index.php?page=en_dat_Files
Although this wiki is mainly in German, many pages are translated into English at least.

These pages are ready for anonymous translations in several languages. It is possible to translate only small parts of a page (see this icons on the right of each page). I must admit that writing in this wiki feels sometimes like hacking. However, Frank has put (and is putting) a lot of effort in these pages to keep them up-to-date. So there is no need to start from scratch with your favorite language.

Please: just help translating ;)
Parsley, sage, rosemary, and maggikraut.

Re: Simutrans Wikis

Reply #52 –
The German wiki dat reference is miles better (more up to date, more examples, etc) than the current English one, so I suggest a full English translation of the German dat reference (wherever it ends up being posted on the web!)

Re: Simutrans Wikis

Reply #53 –
I'm currently trying to flesh out and add links for different entries. This will be a big project and it will go slow as I also have to upload images too. But hopefully you all might like the current edits. It's slow going but steady!

I try to do a little bit each day.

-Seth

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Reply #54 –
New images are not added, however I have begun to expand the tool descriptions. I also made a bunch of other miscellaneous changes that you can see in the Recent Changes section.

If anyone has any priorities of things they would like to see documented in the Wiki, please let me know.

I'm also trying to add new categories to aid navigation, and eventually I hope to have some templates at the bottom that will allow rapid browsing of the items in a toolbar.

-Seth

Re: Simutrans Wikis

Reply #55 –
(Sorry for dropping in so late, I don't have enough time to properly follow the whole forum's activity.)

Apart from a serious lack of spare time, there were several problems that prohibited me from writing more in the (English) Wiki, and I think these are not specific to me alone:
- redundancy with user+reference guides, redundancy with other websites and forum boards, redundancy with translated pages in German Wiki
- unknown audience (beginners, people who want to look into the depths of gameplay, pak creators, developers)
- the high speed of development in ST, which can make documentation obsolete quickly
- uncertainty with standardized terminology (similar for simutranslator)
- lack of experience with (and lack of) proper graphics tools (for illustration), but this got better
- lack of existing structure (interconnected pages); several pages should be split up, because they try to cover too much already
Frank copied pak-creation-specific pages to other languages within the German Wiki, to have them translated, but litte happened (sorry). The main obstacle in that for me is that editing in Tiki-Wiki feels rather awkward, I still haven't learnt (or cared to learn) its syntax (which seems so many strange tags). In Media-Wiki (which I also use elsewhere), I can just start typing.

I hesitated to take Frank's (well, nearly 100% of the German Wiki's content is from him) texts and pictures, and put them - translated - into the English Wiki.
Apart from Pak/Dat info (which Frank supplies already), what should go into the Wiki? I suggest these:
- FAQ, so many help requests can be answered with a link to them; this can include hidden features, known limitations, differences to other games of the same genre (TTD is covered to some extent)
- in-depth description of game behaviour, including effects of configuration file parameters
- "best practices", building techniques, common solutions and strategies
- links to further information sources (e.g. pak-specific info) and websites (e.g. addons), including forum discussions

(Description of ST's internals (source code) is IIRC supposed to go into dev Wiki - I can't find the link right now.)

Re: Simutrans Wikis

Reply #57 –
Frankly, we need a serious discussion about all Simutrans Documentation that is dispersed everywhere. :(

I would prefer that all Simutrans docs, tutorials, texts, e-books, wikis and anything related to "how to play, extend and develop Simutrans" should be stored in one place. I know this will involve Ormac, whoami, Frank, Prissi and other members, active and non-active ones. But it's better a team maintaining a single site than each person maintaining lonely a site.

(edited post)