stragety on use of trucks September 08, 2009, 12:05:01 pm Good morning--I play PAK128v102 and have built three cities each with the same end user industry, bakery, supermarket,etc. Question-- is it better to used dedicated trucks from point A (grain Mill) to B (bakery) providing scheduled service and steady material flow but running empty half of the time and a large truck traffic buildup or a shared truck from A to B to C (brewery) to D (supermarket) where the truck runs full most of the time but causes supply shortage due to traffic delays and loading times but needs fewer trucks? Quote Selected
Re: stragety on use of trucks Reply #1 – September 08, 2009, 12:42:43 pm Depends on circumstances, but the ABCD solution does not transport anything between B and C. Never.So I personally would go for seperate lines (e.g. dedicated trucks). You can then optimize each line. Pak128 is balanced in such a way that having a load-percentage of 50% should give you a decent profit.What I usually do is build a local (near each city) transfer station where all goods arrive that are consumed in the factories near the city or produced in the factories near the city. When you do that for each city then the connections between those transfer stations will become very profitable when there are a lot of cross-connected industries. They have often full load in both directions.By the way, I rarely use trucks in pak128 as you tend to need a lot of them to maximize production. I use trains instead. Quote Selected
Re: stragety on use of trucks Reply #2 – September 08, 2009, 12:51:06 pm Thank you. I agree with you that you need a lot of trucks and traffic controll becomes a nightmare but rail delivery to a local bakery seems unreal and perhaps overkill. Is this where you would use a transfer station, trains to the city line and trucks for final delivery in city? Quote Selected
Re: stragety on use of trucks Reply #3 – September 08, 2009, 12:58:22 pm QuoteIs this where you would use a transfer station, trains to the city line and trucks for final delivery in city?Yes, definitely if you want to be a bit realistic.I've found out though that in case of a steel mill or a textile mill (or a refinery, but they are usually not in a city), it's very hard to provide enough trucks to get full production. I don't think that it is unrealistic to use trains (or ships) in these cases. Quote Selected
Re: stragety on use of trucks Reply #4 – September 08, 2009, 01:10:33 pm In the case of city gas stations ( receiving both gasoline and ethanol ) from two sources would you build a large holding area at transfer station for truck use and schedule trains less frequently and would you use a dedicated truck for each to each station? Quote Selected
Re: stragety on use of trucks Reply #5 – September 08, 2009, 01:37:54 pm followup. Could you please upload a screen shot of one of your transfer stations. This strategy gives me a new approach to servicing city industries and perhaps their location in relation to roadways. Thank you Quote Selected
Re: stragety on use of trucks Reply #6 – September 08, 2009, 02:14:27 pm Welcome to the world of Great Colesland!In the first picture you see the Transfer Station of Wiswell, aptly called Wiswell Transfer. The station has a railway part (to the right), a road part and a dock. All goods consumed and produced in Wiswell are gathered here. The train station is a bit ugly (for historical reasons...).Edit: the strange tracks near the road part of the station are fences (an add-on by Isaac Eiland-Hall), but they are pictured as tracks because the add-on is not installed on my work computer. They prevent city-road interruptions that may give the station an alternative entry, thereby disrupting the road choose signal. Quote Selected Last Edit: September 08, 2009, 02:21:17 pm by Combuijs
Re: stragety on use of trucks Reply #7 – September 08, 2009, 02:15:00 pm In the second picture we look a little west of the first picture. There you see the Wiswell Shopping Mall which receives goods by truck from Wiswell Transfer. You also see Wiswell Steel Mill which has a small railway station. It receives and sends goods by train from and to Wiswell Transfer. Trucks would be clogging the city roads. The road part of that station handles mail and p****engers. Quote Selected
Re: stragety on use of trucks Reply #8 – September 08, 2009, 02:15:32 pm In the third picture we're west again from the previous picture. There you see the Textile Mill connected by ship to the Wiswell Transfer station. Behind it you'll find Wiswell Central. Here all mail and p****engers are gathered from Wiswell and surrounding factories. They will be transported further by trains. Quote Selected
Re: stragety on use of trucks Reply #9 – September 08, 2009, 02:16:07 pm In the last picture you see the Wisland Transfer station. This is a regional station that handles all goods between the city transfer stations in the region. There is amongst others a train connection to Wiswell Transfer. Further it handles goods between other regional transfer stations. There are connections to Colesland, Usland and Timbleshire from here, region that have cities with their own local transfer stations. Quote Selected
Re: stragety on use of trucks Reply #10 – September 08, 2009, 02:30:52 pm Thank you for your time, screenshots and great explanation of your transfer station strategy. This changes the way I will approach city industries Quote Selected
Re: stragety on use of trucks Reply #11 – September 08, 2009, 03:58:07 pm It is possible (not very realistic imho) to street run the trains - just change the track to tram tracks - and then the train will go through the city on those (very useful for p****enger intercities ) Quote Selected
Re: stragety on use of trucks Reply #12 – September 08, 2009, 04:59:49 pm True, I even have used the JNR extension by Raven, which provides goods transport on smalltrack, which is essentially tram track. Still, it looks a bit strange, that's why I have abandoned it. Another alternative is to go underground. Not that realistic either, but effectively out of view . If the new slices tool gets released in 103.0 this won't even hamper p****enger transport by underground. Quote Selected
Re: stragety on use of trucks Reply #13 – September 08, 2009, 06:15:02 pm Quote from: Maragil – on September 08, 2009, 03:58:07 pmIt is possible (not very realistic imho) to street run the trains - just change the track to tram tracks - and then the train will go through the city on those (very useful for p****enger intercities )Actually 'street running' is quite realistic. Many times in large American cities and most European ones, there was simply no space to run tracks without significant demolition of hundreds of existing structures. Instead, tracks were run right down the middle (or the side) of the road embedded in the pavement. Most of these lines were only used by small locomotives and short trains, which works great in Simutrans for delivering intercity freight (such as mail, books, or gasoline/ethanol, etc).These are just a few examples that I used to live near.:http://www.railpictures.net/viewphoto.php?id=294892&nseq=7http://www.railpictures.net/viewphoto.php?id=278480&nseq=15http://www.railpictures.net/viewphoto.php?id=275248&nseq=17http://www.railpictures.net/viewphoto.php?id=294666&nseq=0http://www.railpictures.net/viewphoto.php?id=248383&nseq=49http://www.railpictures.net/viewphoto.php?id=248384&nseq=48 Quote Selected
Re: stragety on use of trucks Reply #14 – September 08, 2009, 06:47:28 pm Quote from: rfg123 – on September 08, 2009, 06:15:02 pmActually 'street running' is quite realistic. It's not used that often nowadays although... (Most of it is in North America)Wikipedia says: Australia * The QR North Coast main line runs down Denison Street in Rockhampton, Queensland carrying freight and p****enger services. * Wycheproof, Victoria has a seasonal freight-only mainline railway running along the centre of the main street.Germany"Mollibahn" running through Bad Doberan, GermanyIn northern Germany, the steam "Molli Bahn" narrow gauge railway travels on-street through the town of Bad Doberan at the start of its journey.IndiaOne of the most famous locations is when the steam-powered Darjeeling Himalayan Railway "Toy train" squeezes between narrow shop fronts down past a bazaar in India.North AmericaFull size train in Michigan City, IndianaNotable examples in North America include:[2] * Clarence Street in Brantford, Ontario * the Embarcadero in San Francisco, California * Mason Street in Fort Collins, Colorado * Washington Street in Syracuse, New York (since removed) * Delaware Avenue (now Columbus Boulevard) and 9th Street in Philadelphia * 2nd Street in St. Louis, Missouri * 1st Street in Terre Haute, Indiana * Fells Point neighborhood of Baltimore, Maryland * 5th Street in Lafayette, Indiana * Beach Street in Santa Cruz, California * Chestnut Street in Santa Cruz, California * 19th Street in Erie, Pennsylvania (now removed) * Hancock Street in New Bern, North Carolina * Main Street in West Brownsville, Pennsylvania * Front Street NE in Salem, Oregon * Monroe Street in Garfield, New Jersey * 1st Avenue South in St. Petersburg, Florida * Capital MetroRail in Austin, Texas in the downtown sections. Comparable to a tram-train. * Railroad Avenue in New Albany, MississippiPerhaps most prominently, Jack London Square in Oakland, California has Amtrak p****enger trains, commuter trains, and mainline container freight trains sharing the road with pedestrians, cyclists, and automobiles, with the train speed limit at 15 MPH (25 km/h).11th Street Station in Michigan City, Indiana of South Shore Line, a commuter rail line operated by the Northern Indiana Commuter Transportation District (NICTD), lies on such section. The "station" has no platform, and its station building has since been closed. All p****engers now wait on the sidewalk as though at a tram stop.____________________________________________________________________________________________However, it is very useful in Simutrans Quote Selected
Re: stragety on use of trucks Reply #15 – September 08, 2009, 09:29:04 pm The last significant UK example of Street Running ended in 1987 - the Weymouth Harbour Tramway used to receive boat trains to connect with cross channel ferries. The ferries were withdrawn, so the boat trains ended too. It's still there, though, at the moment. Quote Selected
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