pak128.Japan

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pak128.Japan

September 17, 2010, 01:05:19 pm

It was already four years ago, when I started making the pakset. Unfortunately, I couldn't do much in the last two years, but I won't let it die. I'm currently a bit motivated, as the recent nightly version shows large vehicles much better. I want to make river objects at least, then I will probably hibernate again...

PAK128.Japan web site
http://pak128.jpn.org/
(I asked Isaac to delete http://yoshi.simutrans.com, as I don't want to be a burden on the server, while I cannot contribute to Simutrans.)

This is where it started.
http://archive.forum.simutrans.com/topic/03748.0/

Here you can post anything regarding pak128.Japan - questions, complaints, or whatever.

Re: pak128.Japan

Reply #1 – September 17, 2010, 03:57:45 pm

A 128japan.simutrans.com subdomain wouldn't be a burden.

Re: pak128.Japan

Reply #2 – September 17, 2010, 10:12:30 pm

Quote from: IgorEliezer – on September 17, 2010, 03:57:45 pm

A 128japan.simutrans.com subdomain wouldn't be a burden.

I mean, I feel uncomfortable to use other's resources in vain, while I don't contribute to Simutrans at all, even though pak128.Japan site doesn't take much hard disk space or bandwidth. The new site is on my server space and it doesn't hurt other's wallet, even if I leave it for several years.

You might think that I can simply delete the site, but I want to keep pak128.Japan available on the internet permanently or at least in the foreseeable future, even if it's not updated, because there are some people who have been actively playing pak128.Japan and a couple of people have even been creating addons for pak128.Japan. I don't want to let them down.

Re: pak128.Japan

Reply #3 – September 18, 2010, 03:10:41 am

I didn't explain well, maybe.

For example, in my case: The server exists. It has CPU, storage, bandwidth. Anything that doesn't get used goes to waste. It costs me $99/mo whether it's used or not.

So if you have a site sitting there taking up resources - it is *not* preventing someone else from using those resources - it is using resources that would go to waste.

Of course, if there's *wrong* and outdated information, maybe that's not good -- but I don't think that applies here at all in the slightest.

Now, it was mentioned that it would be easier to update files all in one place - that's a valid reason not to worry about using something on the server. No worries.

But if the main concern is server resources - that's no worry.

Re: pak128.Japan

Reply #4 – September 18, 2010, 08:33:26 am

I know that the operating cost of the server is independent on its usage. But you know, it's not very comfortable for me to use it without contributing Simutrans much. And if I don't update the pakset (and probably I won't update much), it might be not usable any more, as Simutrans is being developped pretty fast, then the pakset would be a real waste on your serve. This is what I want to avoid.

But thank you for your generous offer.

Re: pak128.Japan

Reply #5 – September 25, 2010, 08:13:04 am

Hello yoshi
What For Pakfiles Are be Useable in Pak128?
Or must i be use Your Pakset as A Separat Set
with a Own Folder and an Own Config?

Hello Isaac.Eiland-Hall
You Have A Sever!
Can you me tell who many free Harddiskspace the Sever be have!
And what´s The Storage for one Gigabyte be Cost per month!
I Want buy my own Website for my Collekte Simutrans Liberty!
Sorry for my English!

Greenling

Re: pak128.Japan

Reply #6 – September 25, 2010, 02:17:54 pm

Quote from: greenling – on September 25, 2010, 08:13:04 am

Hello yoshi
What For Pakfiles Are be Useable in Pak128?
Or must i be use Your Pakset as A Separat Set
with a Own Folder and an Own Config?

It's an independent pakset. Of course, most objects can be used in the standard pak128 or any other pakset which image size is 128 pixels (this doesn't mean these objects are aesthetically compatible with other paksets), although I don't recommend such usage if you are new to Simutrans.

Re: pak128.Japan

Reply #7 – September 25, 2010, 02:37:47 pm

Yoshi
it´s Your pakset an Open Scoure or a Privats Pakset?
I Wandt Pimp my Pak128 With Some Models from Your Pakset.
I Wandt not get in Trobbel!
Greenling

Re: pak128.Japan

Reply #8 – September 26, 2010, 02:29:27 am

Quote from: greenling – on September 25, 2010, 02:37:47 pm

Yoshi
it´s Your pakset an Open Scoure or a Privats Pakset?
I Wandt Pimp my Pak128 With Some Models from Your Pakset.
I Wandt not get in Trobbel!
Greenling

The source files for most pak128.Japan objects are available on the web site above.

Re: pak128.Japan

Reply #9 – September 26, 2010, 09:26:15 am

Yoshi
Thanks You!
For You Info.
Greenling

Re: pak128.Japan

Reply #10 – September 28, 2010, 04:52:40 pm

http://pak128.jpn.org/ is the official site? I'm going to update the Simutrans.com (http://www.simutrans.com/paksets.htm#pak128.Japan).

Besides, we can create the address (not webspace) 128japan.simutrans.com and point it to your site. If you move the stuff somewhere else, we can merely redirect the address with no problem. It's easy and no one will loose the pakset.

If you are thinking of a graphic repository for new artists, some paksets are already stored in SourceForge svn, hosting the pak128japan won't be a problem either, I believe.

Re: pak128.Japan

Reply #11 – September 28, 2010, 09:27:06 pm

on a future release, would it be possible to put shinkansen on standard gauge and the other trains on narrow (cape) gauge?

or would this break older save games?

Re: pak128.Japan

Reply #12 – September 29, 2010, 12:21:23 pm

Quote from: IgorEliezer – on September 28, 2010, 04:52:40 pm

http://pak128.jpn.org/ is the official site? I'm going to update the Simutrans.com (http://www.simutrans.com/paksets.htm#pak128.Japan).

Besides, we can create the address (not webspace) 128japan.simutrans.com and point it to your site. If you move the stuff somewhere else, we can merely redirect the address with no problem. It's easy and no one will loose the pakset.

If you are thinking of a graphic repository for new artists, some paksets are already stored in SourceForge svn, hosting the pak128japan won't be a problem either, I believe.

Yes, http://pak128.jpn.org/ is now the official site. And it's OK to create a new subdomain (128japan.simutrans.com) and make it point to the site, although I cannot see the need to do so. By the way, screenshots on the page (http://www.simutrans.com/paksets.htm#pak128.Japan) are not from pak128.Japan. Or if they are, there are lots of addons made for the standard pak128.

I don't think it's a good idea host the files on SourceForge, as the current system works fine.

Quote from: AEO – on September 28, 2010, 09:27:06 pm

on a future release, would it be possible to put shinkansen on standard gauge and the other trains on narrow (cape) gauge?

or would this break older save games?

The shinkansen is not the only railway using 1435mm gauage in Japan. There are several railways using 1435mm gauge. There are some issues, if you divide the trains depending on the track gauge.

1. There are four types of gauge width currently used for normal p****enger railways in Japan, namely 762mm, 1067mm, 1372mm, and 1435mm. And trams use 1067mm, 1372mm, and 1435mm. There were some railways using 600mm, 610mm and 914mm as well. That's simply too many and trams cannot have more than one type of depot (or waytype) in Simutrans.

2. There are some railways which have changed the gauge width in their history. For instance, Keisei changed its gauge width from 1372mm to 1435mm in 1959. If you play a game only with the Keisei trains and the game p****ed 1959, then there would be no new vehilces in 1372mm depot, instead, you would need to sell the whole trains and replace the track with the 1435mm track. This might be enjoyable for some, but not for me at least.

3. There are some dual gauge sections, where different gauges share one track. For instane, Keikyu uses 1435mm gauge and it had a dual gauge section to allow freight trains to and from the JNR network to run. This is not supported by Simutrans.

Anyway, I don't want to make the game too complicated, I won't devide the trains by the gauge at least at this moment.

Re: pak128.Japan

Reply #13 – October 17, 2010, 01:28:10 am

Is it possible to copy airport files from another 128 pak and use in pak128.japan? I tried to copy the airports pak from pak128, which worked, but when I tried to copy airplane vehicles I would get an error message.

Re: pak128.Japan

Reply #14 – October 17, 2010, 01:56:14 am

Quote from: Kujichagulia – on October 17, 2010, 01:28:10 am

Is it possible to copy airport files from another 128 pak and use in pak128.japan? I tried to copy the airports pak from pak128, which worked, but when I tried to copy airplane vehicles I would get an error message.

Did you copy the cargo aircrafts as well? If so, that's probably because the goods defined in the aircrafts are not available in pak128.Japan. Copy only the p****enger aircrafts, or edit the goods types of these cargo aircrafts.

Re: pak128.Japan

Reply #15 – October 17, 2010, 01:59:26 am

Quote from: yoshi – on October 17, 2010, 01:56:14 am

Did you copy the cargo aircrafts as well? If so, that's probably because the goods defined in the aircrafts are not available in pak128.Japan. Copy only the p****enger aircrafts, or edit the goods types of these cargo aircrafts.

I see. Thank you very much for your fast reply!