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Question about nightly's

Sorry if this question is posted in the wrong forum. I play a very Beta version Pak128 with nightly 1048 and many addons and file changes. My question is, buy updating this game with new sdl's from nightly build will I
 keep up to date with the latest technical changes or do I need to recreate my base game? Thank you for any suggestions.

Re: Question about nightly's

Reply #1 –
Sorry, I'm not sure if I understand what you really want...

So, what exactly do you want to update to newer nightly versions? The pakset or the program? After all there are nightly versions for both.

From the line "a very Beta version Pak128 with nightly 1048 and many addons and file changes"... I read it that you are using openpak128 nightly r1048, with many addons. Ok, but what "file changes" do you mean? OTOH since you already seem to play with a pakset nightly, that option appears to be out, so never mind then.

So much for the pakset. What program version do you currently use? The latest release (=102.2.2), I presume?

From "updating this game with new sdl's from nightly build" I think we're talking about using nightlies of the program, i.e. the .exe file. But I don't understand "do I need to recreate my base game?" ...

So... a general explanation is all I can offer: just download the .zip archive (preferably from the left column of the nightly page - the files in the right column contain more than just a new .exe file, they also include all the text and translation files, etc - but they are bigger, so to keep the traffic on the servers low, you should download one of these only once in a while) and extract the .exe file within to the same folder your current simutrans.exe is located in. It won't overwrite anything, as the nightly .exe files have different file names (i.e. sim-winsdl.exe or sim-wingdi.exe) than the normal version. Of course you need to start the new .exe file instead of the old one, everytime you want to play with the nightly version.

But be careful: nightlies are test versions, they might in worst case be severely bugged, they could corrupt savegames, etc. Also, after playing with a nightly (and saving a game you played with it), you might not be able to load the savegame with any previous version (nightly or release) any more, even without any bugs involved. But (unfortunately) it's the only way to keep up with current developments, as official versions are increasingly rare to be released.

General remark: the better you explain what you want, the easier it will be for people to understand it. The easier people understand, the better they can help.
  
***** PAK128 Dev Team - semi-retired*****
 

Re: Question about nightly's

Reply #2 –
Thank you. At present I am only playing version Pak128-1048. I have tinkered with the dat files of several factories,trucks, trains as well as common in game buildings and I know that an update to this pakset will be a lot of work, but I would like to keep up with the small changes that are made on a regular basis. From your suggestion I gather that if I download the latest .exe file once in a while I should have these changes and only when there is a major pakset change will I need to update my current version. I think the development work that has gone into this game is superior but I can't resist the urge to tinker.Again thank you

Re: Question about nightly's

Reply #3 –
Sorry, but to me this sounds like you don't really know the difference between program and pakset... or at least you fail to make clear what you are talking about and keep mixing things up somehow...

The program (=the .exe file) contains all the (new) game functions, while a pakset is basically just a set of graphics (with all the specific buildings, vehicles, etc.) and some data on these items (like speeds, prices, etc.). So if you want to try e.g. network play - that's a new feature in the .exe file. If you look for the new train XYZ - then that would be part of the pakset.

That's why there are always two versions. One for the simutrans program itself, and one for the graphics set (=pakset). That's why statements like "only playing version Pak128-1048" can just never be true. Just a pakset doesn't run. And that's why I asked for two different versions. Because there always are two versions involved when anybody plays any game of simutrans.

But since you have customized your pakset by changing the .dat files and then rePAKing (for the lack of a better word) them, you should stay away from pakset updates, as all your changes could be overwritten.
  
***** PAK128 Dev Team - semi-retired*****

Re: Question about nightly's

Reply #4 –
You are totally right. I do know the basic makeup parts of the game but find myself not explaining my questions well. I can use the parts better than I can type about them. I will try to do better and not take too much of your time.  You explain your answers very well. Again thank you for your time.