General pak64 feedback here December 05, 2008, 09:03:00 pm I'm using pak64-115. It's nice to have new official p****enger car @230km/h. More variety. Also, there is 2 2story p****enger cars! And I'm also happy about runnning cost revision. If permitted I would like to come back and give more feed back! Quote Selected
Re: General pak64 feedback here Reply #1 – December 14, 2008, 06:50:54 pm pak64-115. year 1909-1924 I'm recently playing with 0.10c per p****enger instead of 0.15, and seems like this is the good balance point. At 0.11+, profit goes up considerably. Below 0.1, company can not support itself. Just a reminder. 1.1c/tile runningcost for old p****. car seems little to cheap. Even with 0.1c per p**** cost, it make good profit. 8.8c/tile for 98p**** carrier at 1924. Feels little bit expensive. But its ok I guess. It asks careful choice to use this car. Maybe faster loco needed? max126km/h is fastest it gets at 1924. To take adv. of 160km/h of p****enger car,,,,, Quote Selected
Re: General pak64 feedback here Reply #2 – December 17, 2008, 06:16:25 pm Quote from: colonyan – on December 14, 2008, 06:50:54 pm I'm recently playing with 0.10c per p****enger instead of 0.15 How did you change that?Beginner mode enabled and beginner_price_factor in simuconf.tab < 1000 ? Quote Selected Last Edit: December 17, 2008, 06:19:34 pm by robofish
Re: General pak64 feedback here Reply #3 – December 17, 2008, 06:24:06 pm Or maybe he changed the pak file for the goods. Quote Selected
Re: General pak64 feedback here Reply #4 – January 05, 2009, 09:57:13 pm Yup, I've changed the goods price...15c for electrification and 2c for maintenance is kind a very cheap.....(even counting that this is still in balancing) I read that electrification costs good fortune.... meh Quote Selected
Re: General pak64 feedback here Reply #5 – March 12, 2009, 02:23:46 am More player point of view reviews. \\\ I apologize fore hand that this board becomes more personal diary. 102. -Addition of river adds whole lot of atmosphere and geographic characteristics. -Inspite the deadlock, categolized station capacity and convoy not loading if transfer is full gives lot more chance for station upgrades to be used. Seriously, I only needed to use lowest capacity platform only and forget about. Thus even if its not definite feature, yet, is very good. -Collected fee based on initial point and destination is good too. Now I need to care more the route plan, which is fun. =I still don't get the price of the electrification. Its too cheap both construction and maintenance. Seems almost insignificant compared to current revenue scale. =Buses on 20's and 30's. Maintenace too cheap especially 39 p****enger capacity one. It's almost free.... 0.5c... ---------- I use this place to thank all Simutrans Dev/Participants for their continuous dedication for this wonderful simulation game. I wish I can paint... Quote Selected
Re: General pak64 feedback here Reply #6 – March 27, 2009, 01:19:00 am Little finding in official 102 release.It is fine to tram trains to be able to run on normal rail track.But what it gives is, it is very or too profitable using them to connect cities not too far apart.Basic track cost low to maintain and tram trains are very cheap to maintain. They also has moderateamount of carrying capacity. (trams supposed to have low maintenance because their track are quite expensive to maintain)Maybe modify speed bonus for tram trains so current speed bring less income could solve the issue. Quote Selected
Re: General pak64 feedback here Reply #7 – March 29, 2009, 01:59:39 pm Another little notice.If you play from 1930, unless you have excessively large city from thebeggining, there is very little chance that you need tram track layed oncity road. Just buses are enough to take care of intra city demand.We have very nice tool as tram set/track but can not use fully as intentioned.Unless you use it as cheap alternative for close range inter city p****enger service which is not the job of tram...Thus it would be nice to if we had so that larger city gets more people travel inside the city,or other. Population dependent p****enger directing, is it possible? Quote Selected
Re: General pak64 feedback here Reply #8 – March 29, 2009, 08:35:12 pm The city creation is already not even distributed random, but with a higher chance for larger cities. Quote Selected
Re: General pak64 feedback here Reply #9 – April 27, 2009, 03:51:47 pm Using default settings.These can be avoided modifying config tab to some extent.But for casual player who doesn't want to spend too much time other than actual play,it could be negative factor for them.(well, I suppose people who would play simutrans extensively has mostlypatience to learn them selves about the game)-New industry chain sprout. In area where cities are packed, some of them are impossible to treat.-Same kind of chain with same factory spacing. After second one, its just too (ahem) boring.-Oil rig all over the place. I suppose its north sea all over in pak64.-This is not only pak64 but mine/factories/power plant which does not take worker from any city. They are becoming "just make money tool" in game flow wise.=Simple possible solution 1. Separate industry chain into consumption chain and production chain. First, consumer stores are built. Production chain will built slowly to meet the demand. 2. Predesignate raw material production area. There are no iron ore mine all over the world. At creation of map, restrict the placement and number of raw provider. Avoids and controls the distribution of raw material provider. If placement is exhausted, create [import point] on the edge of map. 3. Make climate restriction only a ****umption(like river generation) to avoid confusion I know I'm being harsh here but only gentle sunlight and tender water does not make strong well built tree.It need some hard wind too...Anyway just some remarks. Quote Selected
Re: General pak64 feedback here Reply #10 – May 11, 2009, 05:42:57 am I'm enjoying pak64 a lot with version 102.There's only one thing -- cities grow *way* too fast for my taste. (Industry chains also grow a little too fast.) If I start in 1930 and arrange to serve all the best p****enger and freight routes, I find the cities exploding around me with urban sprawl and the population doubles by 1932. It becomes very hard to perform any sort of urban planning, and even hard to get railways or power lines where they're needed, and pretty much impossible to develop a "full service" network for any city, because by the time I've finished, the city has grown a lot. If I keep playing, the game starts running very sluggishly as the population explodes, and then usually crashing sometime in the 1950s! Which is not entirely satisfactory.Maybe I'm just really good at the game ;-) but I don't think so. Is there some way to slow down the city growth and industry growth so it's still happening, but not *quite* so fast, so I have a chance to make it to 2000? I've been fiddling with config.tab but it's hard to tell how much to change the numbers; change them too much and nothing works (I get cities with no buildings except the town hall). Quote Selected
Re: General pak64 feedback here Reply #11 – May 11, 2009, 06:38:05 am Don't know about the crashing of the game in the 1950's. Should not happen I think. The game can get sluggish if for example a lot of convois (over a thousand) are being used.In cityrules.tab you have got a lot of settings, but two of them are very interesting:1) industry_increase_every = 2000If you set this value to 0 no extra factories will be placed. Further, a new industry chain will be set up every time a city is increased by 2000 inhabitants. So if you put a higher number here, you will have less industry growth.2) renovation_percentage = 12(chance for renovation versus new building (bigger number => less sprawling)). There is no way to slow down population growth if you connect everything with everything. This setting however influences the physically growing of the city. The higher the number, the more compact your cities will be.If you want to change a setting, the best thing you can do is make a copy of the involved .tab file in the directory where your save game directory is located (on Windows: "My Documents\Simutrans"), strip everything you don't want to change and then change the settings you want to change. Simutrans uses a three-level system for settings. It first looks in the mentioned directory, then in the pak directory and finally in the directory where Simutrans is installed.Good luck Quote Selected
Re: General pak64 feedback here Reply #12 – May 11, 2009, 06:47:48 am You may also increase the maintenance costs, to earn less money. That will delay the growth Quote Selected
Re: General pak64 feedback here Reply #13 – July 25, 2009, 02:34:01 pm You guys should add a rotate feature, like pak128 and a few others. Quote Selected
Re: General pak64 feedback here Reply #14 – July 25, 2009, 04:22:19 pm The rotation is a Simutrans graphic engine feature not a pakset's feature, thus it's available in all paksets but It depends on the amount of views the object has. Quote Selected
Re: General pak64 feedback here Reply #15 – September 23, 2009, 04:23:47 am Quote from: Combuijs – on May 11, 2009, 06:38:05 amDon't know about the crashing of the game in the 1950's. Should not happen I think. The game can get sluggish if for example a lot of convois (over a thousand) are being used.I'm not sure what's triggering the crashes, but it seems to happen after running a game for several hours, so I'm betting unrelated memory leak at this point.....QuoteIn cityrules.tab you have got a lot of settings, but two of them are very interesting:1) industry_increase_every = 2000If you set this value to 0 no extra factories will be placed. Further, a new industry chain will be set up every time a city is increased by 2000 inhabitants. So if you put a higher number here, you will have less industry growth.I've been very happy with this set to 4000. I'd suggest it as a permanent change; it seems to give about the right balance between available goods and p****engers/mail traffic.Quote2) renovation_percentage = 12(chance for renovation versus new building (bigger number => less sprawling)). There is no way to slow down population growth if you connect everything with everything. This setting however influences the physically growing of the city. The higher the number, the more compact your cities will be.I set this up to 33. I also set minimum_building_desity (sic) to 66 -- the combination seems to be a bit too high. Cities *really* don't want to sprawl, even with empty space next to downtown roads, all buildings maximum density, and 7000 homeless. I'll try reverting minimum_building_de[n]sity.Thanks for the pointers. Quote Selected
Re: General pak64 feedback here Reply #16 – October 04, 2009, 03:04:49 pm About the industry_increase_every and minimum_building_density.I set increase every 5000. It is right amount for me. 4000 sounds good too.Anyway2000 was was just too packed.And I'm using 25% for minimum density. With 33%, I had some cities not expanding inspite they were not on the island.And gasolin is still ridiculously lucratif. With one refinery supporting fivegasoline stations all over the map, profit is sky high!And also for the old p****enger cars. Low running cost are good for making service onrular or unstable p****enger amount line but at 1.1/tile, and 100km/h still exceeding way over 0.15c basic cost for several decades, it becomes really lucratif. Quote Selected
Re: General pak64 feedback here Reply #17 – October 15, 2009, 01:18:17 am Little finding about monorail/maglev It seems like in pak64 world, monorail stand for slower model of maglev. If refering from its name, they shouldn't be compatible each other. (monorail:basically concrete and steel based, maglev track:implies system for magnetic gadget etc...) Also, there track seems very different from one each other. Since they have different cost structure and appealing year, may be they could be considered different systems. Maybe way type is unified from coding structure? In anycase, actual profitable maglev starting from 1984 seems making pak64 world technologically advanced than real world. Actually, it is hard to make difference with all way type with cost and maintenance etc... Except, monor/maglev allows easier urban construction. Edit: I see the concept, maglev vehichle in ST incorporates monorail mechanism and maglev track are designed in a way so monorail vehicles can ride on it. Vote for simplicity indeed. Quote Selected Last Edit: October 15, 2009, 05:43:40 am by colonyan
Re: General pak64 feedback here Reply #18 – October 15, 2009, 08:57:08 am This is a legacy issue. Originally there was demand for some futuristic railway, so we got "monorail", and then people started abusing it for maglev Only recently* did we get maglev as another separate waytype.It's a similar issue to pak128 using "monorail" for hanging trains. Pak128 has specially a bunch of translation items that translate "monorail" to "hanging track" or something similar.Generally the issue is simple. If you have something out of the existing categories, just bend one of them for your purpose. Of course that won't change what it really is, only how it looks and is called For example fences and city walls and such are just a way that can't be driven over.*compared to how long has "monorail" been around Quote Selected
Re: General pak64 feedback here Reply #19 – March 04, 2010, 07:26:09 pm I just started new game yesterday and I remarked that 1st book store consumption rate has increase from 358 unit a month to 488unit a month. I guess it will be good for player to be notified on this kind of event similar to opening of new industry chain.Also, when does increase in consumption rate occurs? Can this happen in any consumer? Quote Selected
Re: General pak64 feedback here Reply #20 – March 05, 2010, 09:57:56 pm There is a random intervall for the initial consumption. But this should never change during the game, if this is what you meant. Quote Selected
Re: General pak64 feedback here Reply #21 – March 05, 2010, 10:01:37 pm Its ok to have this kind of variation time by time. It does make challenge. Quote from: prissi – on March 05, 2010, 09:57:56 pm But this should never change during the game, if this is what you meant.You mean 'this' rate of consumption? Quote Selected
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